2009 SSAD Election Reminder and Canidate Posting

Dartsogold · Last edited by Dartsogold on Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:17 am; edited 1 time in total

WHATS NEW:
South Shore Area Director Election

WHEN:
Save the Date August 3, 2009

WHERE:
FIRST Captains Meeting, MMDL South Shore Fall 2009 Season
Abington Polish Club 7:00 PM

Attention All Captains:
You’re Votes Count, so let them be heard!!

Vote for Scott Gargiulo to be your SS Area Director
Currently the Team Captain: What Happened? SSB1 Division

Remember I alone can not change things, but we can do great things together. I look forward to proudly representing you all.

League Experience:

Assistant SSAD Spring 09
Fall 2008 SSC Division Representative
Spring 2009 SSB1 Division Representative
MMDL Member 16+ Years

Thank You
Scott Gargiulo
EMAIL: sgargiulo_dartsogold@comcast.net
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Dartsogold · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:07 am Post subject:

*BUMP*
Just a reminder to vote at the first SS captains meeting August 3rd.
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Destruct · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

Vote early......

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Chitown599 · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:42 am Post subject:

Well since I am no longer playing, I don't get a vote, plus I think you have to be a captain to vote.
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Dartsogold · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:19 am Post subject:

dwalsh · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:45 am Post subject:

I wonder how many players know about this or even care? Your Captain votes-do the Captains poll their teamates and then vote for the AD based on that? No they do not.The Captains vote for the person they recognize.There really is no voice for the league player unless they come on here or over at the MMDL free forums.If you choose that route,people call you a whiner.So really where is the voice? The BOD will tell you to attend their meetings.For most players who work and have a family that is not possible to add another night out and have the significant other sign off on that.Just curious as to what other players think of this system.
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JustTheFacts · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

Not sure how long Suzy has been AD on the SS. I just came back to the league about 4 years ago. I know I have never been asked who I would like to vote for. Until this year I had never met our AD. I think there should be a consensus taken by each team, with the Captains acting as our representative to bring the vote forward.
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Wire · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject:

I have been a captain for about 15-20 seasons, but currently I am not a captain. I feel like I know both candidates, know the area, know the MMDL, I moderate the MMDL Forums, I participate in the special committees and have helped create the South Shore schedules multiple times (maybe I should be running for SS AD Laughing

..no way already on a BOD!!). I would vote if given the opportunity and would make an educated vote, but since I am not a current captain I can not vote. The reason why I think there is something wrong with the system is that I don't even know what team I am going to play on next season, so I don't even have a captain to give my opinion too. I guess I agree with Dave if he is saying - It should be open to all players in the Area to vote for their areas AD.
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Drtr · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject:

I think I'll wrirt in Dave Walsh! JK
I'll be there and will cast a vote, I will ask my teamates, but they dont know either candidate, so no point really.

would LOVE to see Melody run again, but that won't happen, she was The Best!
Would also see someone like Wire, Kirby, Bigguy, Derek or Gary(again)
these guys are out and about all the time and have thier finger on the pulse of what's happening on the SS.
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JustTheFacts · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject:

That's a really good point Mike. I've always played for the same team until this coming Fall, and I know where I'll be playing in the Fall, but that is not the case for everyone. The problem there is...how do you know you'll be on a, in this case, SS team? Folks from Boston play on the SS and vice versa. How do you make a voting eligibility guideline? Is it by address, do you have to have played on a SS team in the last season?

Next is how to run a vote? Are we talking more printing costs for ballots? Cool

Be great to see some sort of online voting option.
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GT · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

Good thing this isn't Iran.
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FlyinMonkey · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject:

I agree with JTF that Captains should take a consensus of what the team wants. However, it is really up to the Captains to decide how they manage there teams. I know that when I was Captain I always used to ask the whole team to attend the meetings and always asked their opinions on everything. After every season we would get together and discuss where the team was heading and what we could do to improve. I think most of the time Captains don't bother to tell their teammates much of anything. To me it is just a matter of the team selecting the right person to be Captain. Sometimes the best option doesn't want the responsibility. A good Captain will inform his/her teammates of the League happenings and try and increase involvement in League events. Hopefully with the introduction of the new League emails, MMDL forums and the stats site we can increase the league membership participation. There simply is not enough involvement.

Everyone should know what team they are on at the time the vote takes place. Rosters are also do at the time of the first Captains meeting. Things are changing with the League and do to the online stat system rosters will need to be better tracked.

Skizrock · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject:

I dont see anything wrong with having the vote be player driven. Why only Captains? Id like to see change, wire makes good points as does Dave.
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kirby · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject:

I have been saying this for years..I don't even know yet where I'm playing in the fall..August is not the time to be electing a new AD.. It should be done after all the the teams are polled in September and then the transition takes place durring the fall season so that the new AD can see the total package..I know I've heard that the lame duck AD will stay around to help but give me a break why should they?? This August election is the way the old board could get their people in place and convince the long time captains who to keep in place or if a new one was needed make simple phone calls to them.. I know because I've been around longer than anyone on the current board and knew everyone on the old board..If things change for me in the near future I would give serious thought to running in the South Shore and make sure that the Division Reps played a key role in getting these votes from the "PLAYERS" not a suck up happy captain or one who does'nt give a crap..In the early days ballots were given out to the PLAYERS and the candidates for AD and REP were on them, they were turned in before week #2..EVERYONE in the area knew who was running and thus the PLAYERS ELECTED WHO REPRESENTED THEM..This was mysteriously done away with so that a certain greedy few could monopolize the entire league and thus the destruction of what was once a great organization...Someone come forward and prove me wrong...Just my 2 cents
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FlyinMonkey · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject:

Dave, as far as the whiner comment. You are absolutely right that does become the perception. If you really look at it though a lot us us that are sitting in those Board meetings now are the ones that were whining on these message Boards not even a year ago. The problem is that there are differing opinions out there. The problem with the perception is that while you are voicing your opinion here in public others are voicing theirs in other ways. Quite frankly we all know what the people that come on here want most of the time. Hell, in most instances, I agree with your stance and the rest of the voices here on SEWA. The people that we (the BOD) need to hear from are the rest of the players effected by certain Rules and Precedents set by the League. You all may not believe it but there are members of the League that like it the way it is and speak quite openly against change. Format, most rules, roster size has been in place for 35 years, the opposition to your requests say why change it now?

Personally I would love to have a system where each player can be polled on certain changes being considered. How? Not everyone wants to give out personal information necessary. Not everyone comes online, goes to meetings, reads emails, mailings, etc....

You all have outstanding points (most of the time). Why shouldn't everyone vote? Just because they don't want to? Wouldn't that still be there option, to not vote? It will be interesting to see what happens down there. There will be a ballot and it will be interesting to see how many captains actually vote.

Great post Kirby!! It is always nice to get a little history? Week two, interesting! I supported the first Captains Meeting vote for Area Director. Ever since I have been playing the vote took place at the second Captains Meeting. I thought that was the silliest thing I had ever heard of. I was under the impression that the new AD should make the schedule for there first season, hopefully with the help of the prior AD. Then they can be judged on there work and not what they got stuck with by there predecessor. Unfortunately I was not around when things were done that way. Every election I have been to has been unattested. Debbie, Carol and now Mark have all run unopposed.

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kirby · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:

FlyinMonkey · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

dwalsh · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

I just feel that a vote based on what a Captain of 9 people decides is not a voice.If 5 want one and 4 the other how does the Captain vote? Someone on that team loses their voice. I may play in the SS or Boston this fall.I may not play at all if Super A and a new format are not voted on and passed at the next meeting.I would vote for the AD candidate that most represents my idea of where the MMDL should go.August is not the time for that,This vote should already be done and the new AD in place.
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Chitown599 · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:

I agree with Dave. The players should have a vote for who they want. The way the voting is now, I don't see it as fair to the players. Like Dave said, what if the team is split on who they want. I think it is time for a change in the voting. Dave, great insight, and it has raised a few eyebrows, which is good.
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ScottC · Dart Sergeant Joined: Nov 20, 2007 Posts: 154

Is there anything in the bylaws that states it has to be the "captain" and not a representative of the team to cast a vote?

kirby · Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:44 am Post subject:

JustTheFacts · Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:35 am Post subject:

Rachey · First Sergeant Joined: Apr 26, 2006 Posts: 1552

I know the way it is now it is up to the captain to vote on AD (or other BOD position). But to be honest, I don't think I'll be getting a phone call from my captain prior to the vote to ask my opinion. And this is not a knock on my captain or on any other team or captain.
I just think that some captains will forget to ask teammate's opinions or maybe even forget about the vote. or may not even care about it.
A lot of people that play Fall and Spring MMDL take the summer off of darts and may not keep in contact with their Tuesday night teammates until the new season starts.

I think what Kirby said earlier about voting by week 2 of the season makes sense. Teams are back in touch with each other.
Maybe have the canidates that are running for the position be at the captain's meetings to state their cases and answer questions, then week 1 the captains can discuss the canditates with the team (even bring any info they received from canditate(s) with them) and then cast vote and have it added to week 1 or week 2 report.

Even voting the MMDL season prior would work to.
Canditates will have 1 half of the season to show what they got and players/teams/captains will have a couple of weeks to decide who they want and ask questions then vote by week 14

TMOC · Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:47 am Post subject:

Good info Matt, but it looks like there's still only one vote allowed per team, and I agree with Dave that one team vote doesn't necessarily mean you have a team concensus.
To add some food for thought to Dave's comments, suppose only two or three people even care to give their captain an opinion? Does that give the Captain the right to pick whover he thinks is the best candidate? By the way, who's to say that the Captain or team rep actually votes for the teams wishes in the first place? No accountability to the members in the current process.
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Destruct · Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:11 am Post subject:

Changes for the Fall season need to be discussed and a consensus reached over the Summer. This would seem to need several BOD meetings.

The fiscal year of the MMDL is a calender year, it was switched to that back in 2004 or somewhere in that time frame.

The election of and the start date for the new AD's should either be 1/1 or 6/1 so they are in place to discuss and make any needed changes to policy before the Fall rosters are due!

As for the vote, if all current players are eligible then an in season election would seem to be the proper way to go. Ballots could be distributed by team captains at a weekly match and sent in with that week's score sheet.

Either that or the computer geniuses here could set up a website for the vote!

Let's show Ahmadinejad how a real election works! Twisted Evil

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